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evilsoup

Anonymous asked:

https://www.tumblr.com/fresne999/790519295288459264/a-few-things-to-add-there-are-two-fairly-large

Christians? Culturally Christians

Jews? Culturally Christian

Buddhists? Culturally Christian

Atheists? SUPER Culturally Christian

I fucking hate it here :|

captainjonnitkessler answered:

The thing is, “America is culturally Christian” is not contested in atheist spaces. Like trust us, we know!! We talk about it a lot, and then we get called “militant evangelizing atheists who hate religion” because of it!

But this post is once again treating atheists like they’re just some sort of blank slate who can’t possibly have thoughts or opinions of their own. Members of minority religions may be “influenced by” Christianity but atheists just have a void that religion is supposed to go into so they just ARE (cultural) Christians, because religious people just cannot fucking grasp the concept of someone not being religious.

“America’s society and culture are heavily influenced by Christianity, so even people who aren’t Christian will be influenced by it” - true, not controversial

“You’re an atheist so I AM going to dictate to you what your religious beliefs are because you’re too stupid to know it yourself and if you don’t like having a religious label forced on you by random strangers then it just proves that you’re an arrogant dudebro who thinks your worship of science and logic prevents you from being susceptible to societal influence” - Fucking Bad Take Actually

evilsoup

With that in mind, for group two: a couple of statements:

You cannot get into heaven through good works.

You cannot save the environment by individual action.

These are the same thing.

A big part of the problem with "cultural christianity" discourse on tumblr is the stupidity of the people putting it forward. These two statements are not remotely "the same thing" -- one is a call to disregard the state of the world in favourof cultivating faith in god, while the other is a claim that collective action is needed in order to change society. It's hard to imagine having a productive discussion on any issue with someone who has such a sloppy, impressionistic understanding of language.

evilsoup
captainjonnitkessler

Before the Ten Commandments people loooooved stealing from kids. You could just smack candy right out of a kid's hand and laugh at them and everyone would laugh with you because no one knew it was wrong.

But then Moses came down from that mountain and was like "behold! God has said Thou Shalt Not Steal!" And everyone was like "what, even from kids?" And Moses said "Especially from kids, it turns out we were absolutely not supposed to be doing that."

And then everyone was like "awwww but we loved stealing from kids. Hey, we're still allowed to beat our slaves though, right?" And Moses was like "yeah no that's fine as long as they don't die, God said slavery is fine."

And I'm sorry but that's why atheists and those weird pagans from non-Abrahamic religions will just never be as moral as us good Judeo-Christian folk.

derinthescarletpescatarian

Anonymous asked:

I understand that vaccines are proven to work and are a great advancement in our medicine, and also that homeopathic remedies don't work, but don't they work on the same principal? Why does one work and the other doesnt?

ms-demeanor answered:

They do not work on the same principle.

I can see how vaccines look like a “like treats like” situation, but in homeopathy “like treats like” is a kind of magical thinking.

Let’s take an example from Chicken Pox, a virus for which there is an effective vaccine and for which there is a common homeopathic treatment.

Chicken pox infects people once, and it is extremely rare to get a second case because once you have had it, your body forms persistent antibodies against the varicella-zoster virus. When I was a kid, they didn’t have a vaccine for this, so kids mostly got chicken pox once and it ran around whole schools and that was it. It’s a virus that is fairly minor in children, though it can cause dangerously high fevers. Adults who get chicken pox typically get much sicker than children who get it, and it can lead to permanent harms like infertility in adults who get it. Because it can be so dangerous, we don’t want people to risk getting it, so we vaccinate.

The way the vaccine works is that it takes a weakened form of the virus and introduces that into the body of a person with a healthy immune system. The immune system responds and the person who got the vaccine may get some minor symptoms, like a headache or a slight fever, but it will be nowhere near as severe as getting actual chicken pox would be. Because the immune system was exposed to the virus and responded, it now has antibodies against the virus that recognize the virus and respond immediately before it can start replicating in the body. If a person who has either previously had chicken pox or who has been vaccinated against it is exposed to the chicken pox virus, their body uses those antibodies to react to the virus and protect against a systemic infection.

Are you familiar with Star Trek? It’s kind of like the Borg. You can’t use the same attack pattern against the Borg multiple times because if you do, they’ll recognize the pattern and will be able to defend against it. The virus is the attacker, and your immune system is the Borg. It knows what it’s looking for and won’t let anything get through its defenses.

Homeopathic remedies don’t seek to prevent illness or provoke an immune response, they seek to cancel out something that is happening in the body.

For chicken pox, which produces itchy red bumps, homeopaths use Rhus Tox - a dilution of poison ivy, a plant that causes itchy red bumps if you encounter it in nature. The Rhus Tox didn’t cause the chicken pox, it’s not given to prevent the virus, it’s from a plant that is completely unrelated to the virus that happens to produce some of the same symptoms as the virus when you touch it.

They don’t even think that the Rhus Tox will provoke an immune response from your body like actually touching poison ivy would, they’re attempting to use an unrelated compound (that is so diluted that it isn’t even present in the preparation) in place of your immune system to attack the itchy red bumps.

So I’m going to go over this in a few brief points:

  • Vaccines are preventative ONLY, they are not a treatment for illness or symptoms of an illness
  • Vaccines work by introducing your immune system to a partial, weakened, or dead virus so that your immune system can form antibodies against that virus and prevent that virus from replicating in your body when it is later exposed to a whole/strong/live virus.
  • Different vaccines have different levels of effectiveness and produce different lengths of immunity; this is for a number of reasons, but if you get a measles shot as a kid you may only ever need one booster, while you need a flu shot every year and a tetanus shot every decade. All of them work the same way, though: they show your immune system what a virus looks like so that your immune system can kill the virus.
  • That is why immune compromised people sometimes can’t be vaccinated, or why vaccines don’t work as well for them or may need higher doses or more boosters. Because they don’t have a healthy immune system, weakened viruses like the ones in the chickenpox virus might be too strong for their immune system to fight, and even if it doesn’t get them sick, their bodies may not be able to produce enough effective antibodies to protect them from the virus in the future. That’s part of why it’s important for as many people to be vaccinated as possible; the more people who are vaccinated, the harder it is for viruses to spread, and vulnerable people like immune compromised people or babies too young for vaccination won’t be exposed to deadly viruses.
  • Homeopathy, on the other hand, aims to treat symptoms of an illness that a person is already experiencing.
  • Homeopathic treatments do not aim to provoke an immune response, they aim to cancel out a symptom with a cure.
  • Dilution is a very important part of homeopathy, with homeopaths claiming that the more diluted a preparation is the stronger it is. This is simply incorrect; I don’t know how to make a more logical explanation of that, it is just wrong that less of a substance causes more of a response.
  • Homeopathy says “like treats like” and that may seem like using a vaccine with a weak virus to prevent infection from a strong virus, but their version of “like” is different - Rhus Tox (poison ivy) is supposed to be “like” chicken pox because both cause itching. Rhus tox is also supposed to treat PCOS, erectile dysfunction, uterine prolapse, sunken eyes, nausea, and backache. “Like” can have an extremely broad meaning in homeopathy, which should be cause for suspicion.

Here’s a paper that compared the immune response of college students given homeopathic “vaccines” against a control group and against a group of students who were given standard medical vaccines. The control group and the homeopathic group both did not have an immune response in titer tests, while the vaccination group did have an immune response, demonstrating that they had protection from the vaccinated viruses. It’s a pretty good demonstration both of how effective homeopathy is (not at all) as well as how to set up a fair and ethical study to look at the effectiveness of different kinds of treatments.

heyftinally

I think it's also important to point out that homeopathic methods can provide a certain amount of natural relief, although they do not cure anything.

Drinking peppermint tea when you have a sore throat isn't going to make your sore throat go away faster, but it might provide some relief from the pain.

A heavily spiced tea isn't going to cure anything, but it might give some temporary relief from a stuffy nose.

No soup is going to cure your illness, but it will give your body some much needed vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes that will help it fight off the illness and recover more quickly.

And sometimes things just straight up do nothing but make you emotionally feel better - that's okay, too. Just know what are realistic expectations for what you're doing.

No home treatment is going to cure your infectious disease - either you're going to fight it off with antibodies, or you'll die. But your home treatments might make recovering from it less miserable, especially if you're taking medication for it. Meds often taste terrible, but if you can follow it up with a spoonful of orange-infused honey, it'll taste a lot better.

ms-demeanor

It's actually really important to point out that none of those are homeopathy. You might call drinking tea with honey or drinking broth home remedies, but they are not homeopathy.

Homeopathy is *very specifically* the dilution of substances in water to use water's memory to treat illnesses on the principle of like treats like. Calling drinking tea for a sore throat "homeopathy" is like calling stretching "chiropractic" or calling all massage "acupressure."

In the last decade or so people (largely people who want homeopathy to be taken more seriously) have been expanding the use of "homeopathy" to cover more and more home remedies and CAM practices, it's important to know what the actual meaning is so that people don't start to conflate "drinking tea" with "drinking water that was once near a leaf of poison ivy" because it legitimizes the latter.

People who have had a cold and felt better after having some warm soup (clear liquids! vitamins! minerals! protein! rehydration and nutrition, which you need when you're sick and will make you feel better!) who think of that as "homeopathy" are going to see people discussing homeopathy as a scam, quack practice that does tremendous harm and they'll think "what is that person talking about? homeopathy is just putting lemon and honey in tea for a sore throat, it's fine" which will make them more resistant to criticisms of actual homeopathy and will perhaps make them adversarial toward discussions of evidence-based medicine.

This is semantic creep that needs to be firmly addressed; that was NOT a common definition of "homeopathy" when I started getting deep into exploring the world of CAM and quack medicine fifteen years ago, and I'm a bit concerned that it has spread as far as it already has.

(not a criticism of prev, btw, just addressing a distressingly common misconception!)

ruffboijuliaburnsides

As someone who was raised being "treated" with homeopathy, I do want to chime in and verify that @ms-demeanor's definition is correct - my mom had this whole case of bottles with what were essentially little sugar tablets, and if we were sick or injured or having allergies or literally anything, she would consult the booklet that came with the kit for our symptoms, pull out whatever bottles were indicated, dissolve a tablet in a small amount of water, and have us hold that under our tongues for 1-2 minutes and then swallow it.

It actually did help my little sister a bit sometimes, probably from the placebo effect, because we'd been doing this basically her whole life, pretty much. It never did fuck all for me, but I had remembered going to the doctor as a little kid and getting medicine that actually worked when I was sick, like cough syrup, and I'd been pretty sure at 8 when we switched to a homeopath that it was bullshit, because it didn't make any sense.

I will note, however, that whenever we got a fever, my mom would still give us advil to bring our fever down, instead of relying on homeopathy. Makes me wonder how much she ACTUALLY believed in it.

superpika1of4

Huh, I always heard that homeopathy meant treatments that hadn't been proven in a study but, seemed to help at least a little

ruffboijuliaburnsides

Nope. Some homeopathic folks will try to sell it as that but homeopathy is fully bunk and has a very specific meaning. Some home remedies might work (either due to things like known natural remedies like ginger settling your stomach or the placebo effect like certain kinds of soda settling your stomach) but those aren't homeopathy.

captain-acab

Two things I want to expand on:

Homeopathy is *very specifically* the dilution of substances in water to use water's memory to treat illnesses on the principle of like treats like

"Like treats like" for homeopathists means that if you have a headache, you can put a droplet of cauliflower juice (because cauliflowers kinda look like brains, right? Therefore it must cure head pain!), diluting that drop of juice in a bottle of water, diluting a drop of that in a new bottle of water, and repeating this dilution process a hundred more times. This is the "water's memory" — it's diluted so much that there's literally not a single molecule of the original juice left in the solution that you will finally drink.

If that sounds like the stupidest bullshit you've ever heard? Congrats, you have an accurate understanding of homeopathy.

Vaccines are preventative ONLY, they are not treatment for illness

You may read this and think, "Wait, I've definitely been told to get a vaccine *after* getting an infection. What's up with that?" There are a few diseases (notably Tetanus and Rabies) that involve immediately getting a vaccine as post-exposure treatment. That's because those particular infections spread slowly up your central nervous system. The point of getting the vaccine immediately after exposure is to teach your immune system how to fight off the infection before it reaches your brain and kills you.

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this week everybody is dead, yeah so don't go expecting anything, we're all dead this week

wizard-council-bureaucrat

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isn't that sweet? we are all entombed together <3

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planetarytransformation

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planetarytransformation

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planetarytransformation

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